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I am going to stand by my original statements...."we ain't seen nothing yet."

'As crazy as it is....we will look back and wish we were back at this date."

This economy is wrecked, and they will keep it wrecked.



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Tue May 19, 2020 12:57 pm
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elwood wrote:
This is what bothers me, the economy may already be too badly damaged.
https://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2 ... local.html

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That has been my main concern all along ..... and I agree , our economies will never completely recover ..... and if the government keeps doling out trillions of dollars to keep things afloat it still will have to be paid back somehow (taxes) .... and if they keep printing money it will devalue the currency and inflation will go out of control.

Having said all that , if there is one country in the world that can recover it will be The United States of America .... providing Trump gets elected .... and dammit anyway he had everything humming along so good till now.


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A little more reading..
http://stateofthenation.co/?p=14422#more-14422

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You don't need any of these socialist cabal BS theories. There is a much more logical one, China.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/19/wh ... ronavirus/


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elwood wrote:


I would be cautious believing anything "political officials" say

I would also be cautious believing what is said on the conspiracy-type site "state of the nation"

Here is an example ..... they say COVID-19 is part of the plan to implement 5G technology

They even have a video to prove it (ahem)

Trouble is the circuit board is from an old TV with a fake COV19 sticker added

Hate to say it but conspiracy theorists can bullshit just as good as the politicians

And that has been my point all along , thanks

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Wed May 20, 2020 10:03 am
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Here is another example http://stateofthenation.co/?p=14403

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Fact is Churches are the most "dangerous" place to spread the virus because:

---virus is distributed thru tiny droplets from the lungs
---partly thru breathing
---more when talking
---lots when shouting
---huge amounts when singing

Church has everybody packed close together all singing within 2 feet of each other often with a lot of handshakes , hugging , and even kissing and the Pentecostals often do a lot of shouting

It is just that simple. No conspiracy. thanks


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Wed May 20, 2020 10:19 am
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Another example ..... a small Arkansas church with 92 members had 35 catch COV and 3 died.

In spite of the fact that the pastor closed the church in early march (12th) ... way ahead of everyone else and before the real pandemic was understood

(he and his wife had symptoms late february early march)

Plus another 26 people caught it who had outside contact with the church folks and one died.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/ ... mm6920e2_w

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Wed May 20, 2020 10:42 am
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I would not believe any information coming from the CDC either..

The biggest problem is we are not being told the TRUTH. By the media or the Gov.
The Gov does nothing in your interest.

So anyone who might say, "Gee something doesn't smell right" is a wacko tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist
(a word coined by the CIA by the way)
Alternative media does not have all the facts either, but at least doing research and not taking the talking head medias word for everything.

In 1984, fifty independent media companies owned the majority of media interests within the United States. As of 2020, 90% of the United States's media is controlled by four media conglomerates: Comcast (via NBCUniversal), Disney, ViacomCBS (controlled by National Amusements), and AT&T (via WarnerMedia).


I understand your point on churches, but also if you stay out of cars you will not be in a car accident, stay away from water and you have no danger of drowning, don't take a bath or shower and you won't slip and fall.
You can live your life curled up in the closet afraid of the world and all of the dangers.
I myself would rather enjoy some dangerous freedom rather than peaceful slavery.

I will not be Masked, Tested, tracked, poisoned or chipped, to support this orchestrated LIE!
I do not consent, this is not my "New Normal"

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Here is a quote from 2020
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As the Covid-19 pandemic swept the globe in early 2020, a conspiracy theory about the disease went viral on social media: The genesis of the illness, proponents claim, was not the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. Instead, this pandemic was actually caused by the introduction of 5G broadband, and radiation from cell towers equipped with the technology is the real culprit.

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On January 31, 1890, the European edition of the New York Herald ran an item suggesting that the electric light was somehow responsible for a global influenza outbreak. After all, “the disease has raged chiefly in towns where the electric light is in common use,” the article noted, and went on to note that the disease “has everywhere attacked telegraph employees.”

Like I have said many times , conspiracy theory is very easy to manufacture .... and the clever ones scatter truthful things amid their invented stuff ..... the 1890 situation is a good example ... electricity , telegraphs , and electric lighting systems were blamed for the Russian flu .... for the simple reason folks around that technology were hardest hit.

That part is true because back then folks with electricity were wealthier , upwardly mobile , congregated together , thus the flu spread rapidly among them.

Just that simple folks , be careful not to get suckered.

By the way , I find it simply amazing one of the cures recommended back then was Quinine (see picture) ... the same drug Pres Trump and others are using (it is an anti-malarial drug)

It is a long and interesting article for anyone who has the time https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/ ... 2b8b5050d5

(HUMOR ..... The article is from Forbes ... so of course they are in bed with the globalists and bankers hehe)

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Ok..let's just all move along here. Nothing to see
..the government will take care of it.

We will see how that works out a year from now.


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elwood wrote:
I would not believe any information coming from the CDC either..

The biggest problem is we are not being told the TRUTH. By the media or the Gov.
The Gov does nothing in your interest.

So anyone who might say, "Gee something doesn't smell right" is a wacko tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist
(a word coined by the CIA by the way)
Alternative media does not have all the facts either, but at least doing research and not taking the talking head medias word for everything.

In 1984, fifty independent media companies owned the majority of media interests within the United States. As of 2020, 90% of the United States's media is controlled by four media conglomerates: Comcast (via NBCUniversal), Disney, ViacomCBS (controlled by National Amusements), and AT&T (via WarnerMedia).


I understand your point on churches, but also if you stay out of cars you will not be in a car accident, stay away from water and you have no danger of drowning, don't take a bath or shower and you won't slip and fall.
You can live your life curled up in the closet afraid of the world and all of the dangers.
I myself would rather enjoy some dangerous freedom rather than peaceful slavery.

I will not be Masked, Tested, tracked, poisoned or chipped, to support this orchestrated LIE!
I do not consent, this is not my "New Normal"


I absolutely agree with most of that .... with my personal slant as follows :

---Nobody really knows anything about this virus .... including media , CDC , WHO , Politicians , Media etc .... and that is why I take everything with a grain of salt

--- the media , and Hollywood are some of the most messed up people around .... but they are not a "united group" per say .... but they are indeed united ... by an ideology which is very liberal , very socialist , humanist and Darwinist

--- and yes , they have tremendous influence today , and yes I feel it is dangerous to freedom ... and they are clever .... they (as individuals) realized that with careers in media , (liberal) government they could have influence .... and we let them .... because we ourselves were busy working and creating the prosperity that makes (made) America great.

---Now I could get fired for saying this but it is true .... once women were allowed to vote things began to change .... they often go by emotional "feel good" things .... place a dark skinned handsome and articulate man and (many) women will swoon and vote for him because "it feels so good"

---Canada did the same electing Justin Trudeau .... his qualifications were a part time elementary school teacher and snow board instructor .... absolutely no talents to run or manage anything ... complete air-head ... but he was a handsome young man with a famous last name and the women swooned in mass and he won a landslide victory .... and in the subsequent years has ruined just about everything in Canada.

---- God bless every woman who votes based on character instead of emotional feelings . We need you more than ever.


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The reason they are trying to debunk HCQ is because the patent has run out and they cant make money off of it like they can when they get their "vaccine"..

From 2018 Follow the money.
Curing Diseases Is Bad For Business

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/revo ... tion/72407

https://www.light-path-resources.org/wp ... siness.pdf

Never before has an economy been shut down like this, this is about more than Covid-19 Poverty will kill more people than the 'rona.

People also thought Louis Pasteur, Oliver Wendel Holmes, and Ignaz Semmelweis were crazy for believing that germs (micro organisms) that no one could see were causing death from infections. later proved correct when washing hands and disinfecting and sterilizing were practiced....after being called crazy by their peers,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ignaz-Semmelweis

Yes we have been wrong before and I believe that people in charge are wrong now, history will prove one way or the other. pandemics, plagues, volcanos, hurricanes, famine, pestilence,war, etc have always been a part of human life for as long as there have been humans, how did we survive this long without gov lock downs?

You are not going to change my mind, and I am not going to change yours. I just think all the hype is a lie for another reason, what is that reason? I don't know. But I do know that The Gov, CDC, FBI,CIA, big pharma, the media, etc. cannot be trusted with blind faith. Critical thinking, even if on the wrong track, question everything,
cui bono (who benefits) there is no free lunch. We are all pawns in their game.

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Yes Arnie good points all.
as far as voting goes you are spot on...
Used to be only land owners (wealthy)could vote.
Now they have figured out that by giving away free stuff, and half of the country pays no taxes, you just need more and more people on the gov dole to keep buying votes.

This is what happens when crooks get power.

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My biggest frustration about the whole COVID and HCQ is that everyone, starting with the president, but of course Pelosi, and all the 'experts', both real experts, physicians, and those 'experts' on social media, take a political stand on this, rather than allowing all the studies to fall where they will. If you are a Trump supporter you believe it works, if you are not then you don't believe it works - that's not how people should decide whether a medicine works or not. Whether or not it works should not be a political thing.
Starting with the initial study from France, based upon some reasonable lab data, in an urgent situation where nothing else was available for a serious disease, a proposal was made for off-label use of a drug that is cheap, generic, and widely available. So definitely worth a try.
Unfortunately most of the studies that have been done since that are more rigorous have not shown a benefit, and even some risk in certain patients with cardiac histories.
Everyone from Trump down should STFU and allow the studies to fall where they may, it's going to take a few months to confirm whether it works or not.
My take is that it may have some benefit in certain situations, but in other situations it will not be helpful or even possibly add risk and should not be used. Our local hospital system which used it at first, have now stopped because they saw no benefit and some bad cardiac effects.
There is now a study out of NYU, showing there may be some benefit when combined with zinc, though not yet peer reviewed, but is hopeful.
So let the studies fall where they will over the next few months, and Trump and everyone else STFU. Just like you should not drink detergent or put a light into any bodily cavity because Trump muses that it might be effective.
Wishing or hoping something works just because you vote for someone does not do a damn thing to either make it work or not work.


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You are right Lofty, everything has been politicized, and it is not good for anyone.

Right now if Trump said He wanted open borders, Pelosi would be screaming for a wall.

And I am tired of my tax money going into Gov slush funds, and to other countries.

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loftus wrote:
You don't need any of these socialist cabal BS theories. There is a much more logical one, China.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/19/wh ... ronavirus/

That is a very good article .... long read but worthwhile .... especially how we (free world) enabled China to get to where it is now ... one thing not mentioned was the expectation that if China got a good taste of capitalism it would wean them away from communism .... how wrong we were ... our good intentions do not always work.

Below I copied the final summary for folks who do not read the whole thing ...


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10 Actions the United States Must Take

The problem is not the Chinese people, nor their proud heritage that stretches back thousands of years. It is communism. We must challenge China:

1. Return all production of our medicines, medical supplies, and equipment to the United States or to countries that are our allies;

2. Enact severe limits on Chinese graduate students in all scientific subjects; shutter all Confucius Institutes at American universities until they be stripped of their propagandistic mission;

3. Entrench principles and restrictions so that China can buy no more of our corporations, universities, or national assets;

4.Help deny, across the world, the ability for China’s Huawei to deploy its 5G networks, systems, phones, and devices, as tools for espionage, industrial and otherwise, could be implanted in these systems;

5. Threaten to extend tariffs substantially if the PRC does not make all virus data and sites available to our scientists, so that we may understand fully the genesis and the spread of the present pandemic; the PRC must also release any COVID-19 whistleblowers and eliminate all wet markets;

6. Put into law criminal penalties for any American company or individual who shares proprietary or sensitive information with China, when such information has application to our defense, high-technology, or energy-related industrial base;

7. Accelerate Freedom of Navigation passages and exercises through waters that China falsely claims, with maximum U.S. naval power expressed; in this, we should include, when possible, ships of the British, the Australian, and the Japanese Navies;

8. Undertake determined efforts to deny China’s Belt and Road Initiative, especially in Africa; extend alternative terms to key nations on the brink of asset appropriation due to China’s predatory lending practices;

9. Announce a new military package to reinforce Taiwan’s defensive capabilities. To this end, we should consider the sale of the F-35 due to the deployment of the advanced Chengdu J-20 fighter by China. This sale would either be as a replacement for the pending transfer of less-advanced F-16Vs to Taiwan or as a supplement to this force;

10. Radically reduce IP theft. Explicate that China’s economic expansion would have been impossible without their theft of American technology; produce and distribute lists of American technologies and products stolen or copied by China; urge other free countries to do the same, so that the world will recognize this danger.


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elwood wrote:
You are right Lofty, everything has been politicized, and it is not good for anyone.

Right now if Trump said He wanted open borders, Pelosi would be screaming for a wall.

And I am tired of my tax money going into Gov slush funds, and to other countries.


YES , YES and YES


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How the hell can you trust the WHO when they blatantly contradict their initial statements...let this virus get out of control either by accident or on purpose....saying it doesnt likele transfer human to human....then Trump has Dr. Fauci and Birx advise him and these two clearly have connections to China, millions involved in the Wuhan labs....in bed with the pharmaceuticals....Trumps biggest mistake is dealing with that Dr. Fauci who has several videos of him stating opposite views.

This isnt no conspiracy crap...I think I have enough common sense to analyze for myself, and am not parroting what someone is saying that is also selling survival gear etc.

We have been sheepled into a pen of fear. It us freaking ridiculous. I say be men and stand up to this bullshit overreacting....what a freaking mess we are in.


It ain't going to get any better. The soul of this country has been knocked down by the daily MSM who are owned by a handful of corporations. If you want to side with Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff...and all the other climate changers/liberals/.....its your right.


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Well...let's see....
NO no and no. And you can put me down for another no if that wasn't clear enough.
Science is NOTHING else but speculation on collected data! Period.
So fuck them! I can speculate too. My guess is as good as theirs due to the fact that their data is mostly corrupt.
Stalin said it. It's not how many votes are there what's is important but who counts actually counts them!!!
So as for big fucking pharma with long reach WILL corrupt data and fuck you'all in the ass with their shit.
We have a fucking vaccine for flu yet..... ya know.....FUCKUM!
I am not in any favor of this shit and nature should fucking hurry up and take out the weak!
We have too many sick and useless mofos anyways.
If I am to be taken out so let it fucking be!!!!!
We do have a vaccine for this. It's called the immune system.
Everything else is business and politics.
Good for Trump for showing how we can actually do the same fucking things doctors do to us.
They are doing nothing different. Experimenting on our own dime on us.
So why not do it on yourself? Last I checked this is still America where I can do shit to myself at will.
Where is it written in our constitution that a person who was licensed by the government can only heal?
Why do I not trust government licensing practices?
If that was the way of people practicing what they are gifted with Morgan and Morgan would weigh only 110 pounds instead of being a fat fucking pig lawyer!
He would starve because we would have only great doctors.
But that's not the case now is it?
Ok I am gonna go an fuck up something.
HOW.... I spoke
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Gabor....My brother from another mother. You have experienced communism, and love ourfreedom. I love our freedom and hate the communism that is slowly encroaching upon our lives. I am glad I am not a young person. Our kids have been indoctrinated instead of educated in our school system.

I spent over $40,000 giving my daughter a degree if indoctrination at Illinois State University. Finally after 15 years she is starting to see her uneducated dad may be more correct than her professors were. These kids are good at knowing how to make 6 figure incomes out of college, but cant think for themselves at all. Educated out of a book. I would rather be able to write the book instead.

I guess I am too independent and had to teach myself how to make a living.


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