So far, I like it. The 24' Russian rotors are the stars of the show. It is nice to FINALLY have a cockpit that is comfortable for my size in a gyroplane. Overall, it flies a lot like a CLT Air Command. Very light on the cyclic. I do miss the Yamaha engine (it has a Rotax 582), but it has plenty of power when matched with those rotors.
_________________ Jon Carleton Private ASEL Instrument Sport Pilot Gyroplane
Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:30 pm
Hellified
Joined: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:55 pm Posts: 4163
Has thanked:125 times
Been thanked:5441 times
Wooohooooo. Looking really good there Jon. I like it!
_________________ A walk in the woods helps me relax and release tension. The fact that I am dragging a body should be entirely irrelevant! A simple thank you would have been enough for the morning coffee without all that "how did you get in here" nonsense.
Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:43 pm
JonCarleton
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:49 am Posts: 781 Location: Lower Spiral Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy
Has thanked:140 times
Been thanked:1078 times
Actually, I think it has the potential to be a better seller than the 2-place machines. It is comfortable, has good power...even for someone my size, and I don't know of anything that I would consider direct competition. I suppose a Sport Copter is the same basic class, but they are nothing alike.
_________________ Jon Carleton Private ASEL Instrument Sport Pilot Gyroplane
Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:12 pm
elwood
Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:21 am Posts: 7161 Location: Lost
Has thanked:115 times
Been thanked:8678 times
I like the looks of it, and you are right there is no other option for a partially enclosed single place, the sportcopter is just too pricey and looks goofy, I know they are good machines But.... By having the body work, it really opens the door for a true cross country single. By the way the rotax blue head has proven to be a very reliable engine, Too bad the yamaha 2 cyl 80 hp has not been converted yet.
I watched it again. I must say it is amazing how low speed you needed to pick up the nose and then just ease into the air with probably no faster than 40 mph. I know you are not exactly a 120 pounder so I can appreciate the size and weight allowance of the machine.
_________________ A walk in the woods helps me relax and release tension. The fact that I am dragging a body should be entirely irrelevant! A simple thank you would have been enough for the morning coffee without all that "how did you get in here" nonsense.
Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:02 am
JonCarleton
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:49 am Posts: 781 Location: Lower Spiral Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy
Has thanked:140 times
Been thanked:1078 times
It's those rotors. Same thing on the Tango 2. I keep telling them they need to spend more time marketing their rotors and props. They are both excellent and very competitively priced. That 69" scimitar prop with stainless edges is right at $1,000,00 and I would take it over a Warp drive any day. I'm not sure how much they want for the 24' rotors...but it may be under $3,000.00 and I would MUCH rather have them than Dragon Wings or Sport Copter rotors.
_________________ Jon Carleton Private ASEL Instrument Sport Pilot Gyroplane
Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:34 am
Henry Bowman
Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:03 pm Posts: 2417
Has thanked:13 times
Been thanked:3238 times
Jon, what makes them superior in your opinion to the Sportcopter or Dragon Wings and do you have much experience with both of those? I have tried some other rotors and they felt "heavy" when I would try to do Andovers and tight banks. As I am no longer avle to call myself a gyro pilot i live vicariously through you guys and your descriptions.
Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:56 pm
JonCarleton
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:49 am Posts: 781 Location: Lower Spiral Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy
Has thanked:140 times
Been thanked:1078 times
Jon, what makes them superior in your opinion to the Sportcopter or Dragon Wings and do you have much experience with both of those?
I have flown Sport Copter, Dragon Wings, Dragon Wings Cruisers, RotorHawk, Rotodyne, Old Sky Wheels (not the new ones yet), Bensen, Magni, Euro-MTO, RAF and a variety of other rotors I neglected to even ask about. Until I started flying the Tango's, my preference was Sport Copter rotors or Sky Wheels, although most of the large, heavy rotors have a similar feel. I like blades with tons of inertia. I also have a preference for wider cord, because of my size, I suppose.
The Tango blades fit that preference. They are also wider cord and use a different (thicker) airfoil profile than most American-made rotors. This, coupled with their tendency to spin a bit faster than many blades (typical 380 RRPM for my weight at cruise instead of 330 for most American-made rotors), makes them a real pleasure to land and very responsive, even on the two-place machines. They are also priced around the same as Dragon Wings, if not a bit less and well below other high-inertia rotors available today. I have not tried to hand start them, but I believe I could hand-start the 24' rotors in a pinch. I have managed to get the 28' rotors to "catch" from as low as 60 RRPM.
I allege experience from being the default tester (crash dummy) for many of the machines purchased or built by members of Peach State along with a significant amount of training over the past few years on a variety of platforms.
_________________ Jon Carleton Private ASEL Instrument Sport Pilot Gyroplane
Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:04 pm
JonCarleton
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:49 am Posts: 781 Location: Lower Spiral Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy
Has thanked:140 times
Been thanked:1078 times
I have been getting a lot of questions as to whether I did that video flight the first time I climbed into the machine...
NO! (and not JUST NO!)
There is a process I go through including running the engine, taxi tests, crow hops, flying the runway and other tests, each followed by a trip back to the hangar for inspection. This process is completed before I go into the pattern the first time. Some machines take more time than others. Sometimes things are found that require attention. I would never recommend taking a brand new machine that has never been flown or an unknown machine up and around the pattern as a first-time test.
That said, the Tango 1 had no surprises. That was "officially" my third test in the pattern and followed the ground testing previously done.
I will also say that I might make an exception to my rules for a Jake-built machine. I test flew Mark's machine in ground effect the other evening, and was sorely tempted. It had the smoothest cyclic I have ever experienced and felt balanced as if it had a 3 axis autopilot engaged.
_________________ Jon Carleton Private ASEL Instrument Sport Pilot Gyroplane
Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:22 am
elwood
Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:21 am Posts: 7161 Location: Lost
Has thanked:115 times
Been thanked:8678 times
Yes! Jakes machine uses the Jake/sportcopter head, Jake took the sport copter design of the head head and changed a few things to make it better and to make it fit the wunderlick prerotator stuff. And as a bonus it does not require trim springs.
Do the Russians make those blades in 22 and 23ft?
I would love to fly that thing, but then I might be tempted to cash in my 401k and get one of each.......
Everyone needs a hayfield bomber and a cross country cruiser.....Oh I can imagine the paint job I could do on a full body machine...
_________________ It's never too late to be a bad example.
I spent all my money on Bikes, Broads, and Booze, the rest I wasted.
Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:39 am
ALL IN
Joined: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:08 pm Posts: 701 Location: San Diego, Ca. USA
Has thanked:738 times
Been thanked:603 times
The kit is 15K, which includes the 24' rotors and 69" 3-blade scimitar prop. It includes the frame, hardware, body, rotor head, tail, wheels, brakes controls and motor mount for a Rotax 582. I believe it may also include the electronic pre-rotator, but I would refer you to their website to be certain about that piece.
It does not include the engine or instruments.
I'm not sure there is a fixed priced for the assembled and tested/flying (40 hours flown off) machine, but I think it is about 25K complete and ready to fly. Flight instruments include rotor tach, airspeed, vertical climb, compass and altimeter. Engine instruments are the typical steam gauges for a Rotax 582.
_________________ Jon Carleton Private ASEL Instrument Sport Pilot Gyroplane
Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:15 pm
JonCarleton
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:49 am Posts: 781 Location: Lower Spiral Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy
Has thanked:140 times
Been thanked:1078 times
OK, perhaps it is just me. Does anyone else see a small unidentifiable object coming from the bottom center of the screen and rising to "hover" just left of the gyroplane from about 8:24 to 9:00 in the video? I don't think it could be a lens artifact.
Hmmmmmmm....???
_________________ Jon Carleton Private ASEL Instrument Sport Pilot Gyroplane
Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:42 pm
ALL IN
Joined: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:08 pm Posts: 701 Location: San Diego, Ca. USA
Has thanked:738 times
Been thanked:603 times
OK, perhaps it is just me. Does anyone else see a small unidentifiable object coming from the bottom center of the screen and rising to "hover" just left of the gyroplane from about 8:24 to 9:00 in the video? I don't think it could be a lens artifact.
Hmmmmmmm....???
I see it now that you pointed it out Jon!!
It may be a speck of dust on the lens as many times it seems to follow the exact movement. However other times it does not so may be a bird paralleling it that is trying to figure out what the heck is the flying thing?
_________________ Resistance is futile…… You will be compiled! Cheers, John Rountree
PRA- Board of Director - Secretary PRA- Volunteer Coordinator
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum