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 Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:21 am Posts: 7151 Location: Lost Has thanked: 115 times Been thanked: 8645 times 
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I thought that you could not use an experimental aircraft for hire in any sort of capacity?
They use RV-4's it looks like, http://www.skycombatace.com/ _________________ It's never too late to be a bad example. I spent all my money on Bikes, Broads, and Booze, the rest I wasted. |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:22 am |
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They can always apply for a LODA and it is perfectly legal then.
_________________  A walk in the woods helps me relax and release tension. The fact that I am dragging a body should be entirely irrelevant! A simple thank you would have been enough for the morning coffee without all that "how did you get in here" nonsense. |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:24 am |
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Site Admin  Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:45 am Posts: 10129 Location: Poona, Qld, OZZY Has thanked: 21874 times Been thanked: 6221 times
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There is ways around everything... when I used to fly cessnas, I wasnt allowed to even take any money as share in the cost... so, I am proud to say I never once took a penny off anyone to help pay for the cost.... not one red cent.... and that is 100% the truth....
But everyone who went for a fly with me each bought a souvenir pen that cost $40   if they didn't want to buy a souvenir pen... they didnt get to go for a ride...  The pens were awesome... they even had proper writing on them... it read 'Been In Cessna' Yes, you read it here... BIC was indeed written on the souvenir pen Some of them were even used/stolen... which made them 'collectable'     _________________ I do all of my own stunts..... most of them are even planned! Ok, Ok.... some of them are planned.. If electricity comes from ELECTRONS, then surely morality comes from MORONS?? |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:42 am |
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elwood wrote: I thought that you could not use an experimental aircraft for hire in any sort of capacity? They use RV-4's it looks like, http://www.skycombatace.com/ aerobatic training, add smoke and a gun sight. |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:34 pm |
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Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:21 am Posts: 7151 Location: Lost Has thanked: 115 times Been thanked: 8645 times
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But you cannot take an aerial picture of someones house from your gyro and accept money for a photograph.
Oh wait, the rules were written by a Gov agency, Now I understand!! _________________ It's never too late to be a bad example. I spent all my money on Bikes, Broads, and Booze, the rest I wasted. |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:11 pm |
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MadMuz wrote: There is ways around everything... when I used to fly cessnas, I wasnt allowed to even take any money as share in the cost... so, I am proud to say I never once took a penny off anyone to help pay for the cost.... not one red cent.... and that is 100% the truth.... But everyone who went for a fly with me each bought a souvenir pen that cost $40 if they didn't want to buy a souvenir pen... they didnt get to go for a ride... The pens were awesome... they even had proper writing on them... it read 'Been In Cessna' Yes, you read it here... BIC was indeed written on the souvenir pen Some of them were even used/stolen... which made them 'collectable' Haaaaaaaaa ... good one .... I would have bought one of those pens As a matter of fact I would even pay $40 for a pen that says .... I rode in the MadMuz IMP powered by a gyrocopter engine in the back seat . |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:25 pm |
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Joined: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:56 am Posts: 3074 Location: VERY LOW LOW LOW EARTH ORBIT Has thanked: 3079 times Been thanked: 3854 times
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elwood wrote: But you cannot take an aerial picture of someones house from your gyro and accept money for a photograph. Oh wait, the rules were written by a Gov agency, Now I understand!! Funny we have a guy in Corona who does just that ,Aerial Photographs been doing it for years in a kit fox II even extended his rudder peddles so he wouldn't get cramps on those long days. How are your limitations written? |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:33 pm |
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Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:49 am Posts: 781 Location: Lower Spiral Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Has thanked: 140 times Been thanked: 1078 times
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The LODA seems to be the magic bullet, these days. I was speaking to a CFI in South Florida who got clobbered by the FAA when he built his Xenon. They said he didn't build 51%, so they wouldn't give him an Airworthiness Certificate (a problem that comes up from time to time with some of the new fiberglass/plastic/carbon fibre machines of late). With as much money as he had in the beast, you can imagine the vacuousity of the situation.
The ultimate "fix" for this case was to allow an Airworthiness Certificate as an Airshow Exhibition Aircraft, then layer that with a LODA allowing usage for rental and flight instruction (dual, not solo). The major downside is that he must exhibit the aircraft in a few airshows or events a year to maintain the Airworthiness Certificate. The "Events" must be logged in the aircraft log and there is some additional paperwork associated with proving that the events "qualify." Of course, it is going to be really interesting if he ever tries to sell the beast. _________________ Jon Carleton Private ASEL Instrument Sport Pilot Gyroplane |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:33 pm |
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The skycombatace website says that they use the Extra 330LC and Waco aircraft. I believe the Extra is certified. Not sure what they actually use......
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:01 pm |
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Site Admin Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:45 am Posts: 10129 Location: Poona, Qld, OZZY Has thanked: 21874 times Been thanked: 6221 times
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What is LODA?
 Sorry, dumb Aussie here   _________________ I do all of my own stunts..... most of them are even planned! Ok, Ok.... some of them are planned.. If electricity comes from ELECTRONS, then surely morality comes from MORONS?? |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:43 pm |
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Letters of Deviation Authority
_________________ A walk in the woods helps me relax and release tension. The fact that I am dragging a body should be entirely irrelevant! A simple thank you would have been enough for the morning coffee without all that "how did you get in here" nonsense. |
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Site Admin Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:45 am Posts: 10129 Location: Poona, Qld, OZZY Has thanked: 21874 times Been thanked: 6221 times
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Wow... I am already a deviant
 (and I've been called worse)... but I dont have the letter of authority  So.... one can build a gyro not doing the 51% and just apply for a 'waiver'? Does that free the person who did the construction from litigation if the person rolls it in a ball _________________ I do all of my own stunts..... most of them are even planned! Ok, Ok.... some of them are planned.. If electricity comes from ELECTRONS, then surely morality comes from MORONS?? |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:08 pm |
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FAA is a very different animal....almost like a government agency......wait.....they are just that!
 _________________ A walk in the woods helps me relax and release tension. The fact that I am dragging a body should be entirely irrelevant! A simple thank you would have been enough for the morning coffee without all that "how did you get in here" nonsense. |
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| Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:19 pm |
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Site Admin Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:45 am Posts: 10129 Location: Poona, Qld, OZZY Has thanked: 21874 times Been thanked: 6221 times
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Yeah... it has nothing to do with your safety... nor the constructors financial safety....
it is all about that the faa cant be held responsible... phuck everyone else It's always the same over here too... gubmint agencies always cover thier own ass before anything else _________________ I do all of my own stunts..... most of them are even planned! Ok, Ok.... some of them are planned.. If electricity comes from ELECTRONS, then surely morality comes from MORONS?? |
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