If you got a real spam can, could you fly to work from home?
Heck NO! too much BIG traffic at Hartsfield ATL, even at full speed a cessna 150 would slow everyone else down, and then I could be half way home by the time I waited in line to take off.....
Now If I could just land on the apron in front of the hangars that would be different!
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Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:57 am
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If u get a fixed wing it's more training B4 fun......more maintanence b4 fun...etc etc b4 fun......just saying.
When I learned to fly a spam can, I had never flown before and had just short of 10 hours lessons before I went solo... that was in a Grumman AA1.... the Cessna is easier to fly than a Grumman. I reckon Scott would be able to do all of the flying with the instructor beside him after 2 hours.... once he gets the concept of stall speed, the right speeds for climb out and approach, I reckon he would be signed off for solo by 5-7 hours.... then he can just fly solo and further lessons with the instructor to get his hours up.....
fun would start first lesson and much cheaper in his own plane and, in his own back yard...
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I need good cross country experience, right now that would be the cheapest easiest way to do it, plus you can go more places with a PPL than a sport pilot. I still want a 2 seat gyro but that will have to wait.
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Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:40 am
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You should have no problem getting an airplane PPL. You already know how to fly something, you're used to being in the air, you have more general aircraft knowledge than most people who start out... Most people have to first get over the sensation of being airborne. "Oh SHIT, we're really flying!", "Why is it bouncing around like this?", and dreading the day the instructor makes them solo. I think it would be a walk in the park for you.
I would recommend taking time off from work and knocking out the dual as quickly as you can. Then with your own plane at your own strip you can solo at your own pace and not have to wait on anyone. That's why it took me a year to solo. Having an available plane, instructor, and good weather match up with my weird work schedule was a pain in the butt, and I was always rusty from the last lesson. I think I had 41 hours of dual before I got cut loose! 2 steps forward and 1 step back. If you bought that 150 with a fresh annual, you could get your dual and solo hours in, do the checkride, and sell it with 6 months left on the annual!
Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:44 am
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Because of the huge flaps on a 150 and its light weight, they actually fly a bit like a gyro (except they can stall) .... but when doing touch and go's with full flaps, once you land and roll a bit, you have to dump some flaps from 40 to 10 or so (on the ground).... otherwise you get off the ground again taking off with 40 degrees flaps it flies a bit like a gyro when it is just getting behind the power curve.... very nose down and at full power hardly any climb rate and no acceleration .... put it this way, if you get airborne with full flaps, you know very quickly
So, you just have to get gyro stuff out of your head, keep above the stall speed, have the flaps and the trim where they should be at the right time.... We used to do 3 touch and go's on each pass.. so would land 40 degree flaps close to the start of the runway, quickly go to 10 degrees climb off, trim, select 40 degrees of flaps, trim for approach, land, back to 10 degree flaps, power on, climb, trim, level, back to 40 degree flaps and so on....
Also, things like the flaps, if you do do a go around and have 40 degrees on, you don't dump all the flaps at once, get rid of 10 degrees at a time and get rid of the hot air real quick .....
When the instructor wanted to be a pain in the butt and keep you real busy, we might squeeze in 4 touch and go's and he would make you do hot air and electric fuel pump for descent (in case go around), flaps to 40, touch down, fuel pump off hot air off, flaps back to 10 degrees, hot air back on, fuel pump back on, lift off, hot air off and so on... in between each touch and go got pretty busy, but learned to do stuff quick
We also would go to re trim and he would hold the trim and say "it's broken... do without it" .... or you would go to put the flaps up or down and he would say..."its broken" and you had to complete the task with 40 degrees flaps or a landing with 10 degrees only or no flaps.... (I hate flapless landings) .... his other pet tricks was to put his feet on the rudder pedals and effectively jam them on center, or off center and you couldn't have the rudder pedals back until short final.... or he would stop the yolk turning so you had to do without the ailerons and just use rudder and elevator until short final.... and a few times had to land with the trim wheel with him ghosting the elevator
It was always very nerve wracking when he would look away and cover his mouth and say something to the tower but I couldn't hear what.... you never knew WHAT was suddenly going to be unavailable
My point is, there is alot of stuff that has to be, or should be done in order... quickly.... and not much time to think. You have to be one step ahead in a spam can, got to remember the aux fuel pump, hot air use... but it is fun to learn and once proficient, it is just downright awesome.... I know you will like it...
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I started out in a 172 and once I found gyro's I never looked back. I too am seeking a PPL and have the time in already.
Soon as I get through the transition training I can concentrate on my gyro flight training and get finished with all that official jazz.
I always wanted to go places so a PPL was always the goal. But to be sure in a gyro not a FW bouncing and waiting for good weather conditions relating to winds.
With aircraft I've started to realize it's not either / or. It's only about enough money to have lots of them........ Unfortunately a little harder than having more than one car, or more than one bike.
Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:46 am
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I was thinking the other day, (ADD sucks) and as much as I like gyros, and even the cross country euro tubs, ( I.E. AR-1 and the Tango) I would like to be able to go places, even when I get the 2 place done it will be an open machine good only for short hops with a passenger, If I wanted to go fly over and visit the kids in South Carolina, or Tennessee, it would be nice to be able to fly over and visit, it would be nice to have something that cruised at 100mph+ with a 4 stroke engine and weather/wind protection, just kicking around ideas, the gyro stuff is just So.....expensive, I could pick up a used airplane for $15k-$25K and not have to build, I could even get insurance...
I need/want a 2 place, already built, that will cruise at 100+ mph, and that I can fly off a grass strip, under $25K preferably high wing.
Mama and I were talking it over trying to look around and see what would work out best.
The euro tubs are too expensive, even the Tango comes in over $30k after you build the kit.
I am not getting any younger would like to do some of this stuff before I am too old.
Any suggestions? I do kind of like the Titan Tornado II, it is small and fast. really not turned on by 1960's Cessna 150's.
get in touch with Dana Linn. He is an A&P now and is horse(plane) trading all the time.. He probably knows where all the deals are and what condition the aircraft is in.
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