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Gabor
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_________________A walk in the woods helps me relax and release tension. The fact that I am dragging a body should be entirely irrelevant! A simple thank you would have been enough for the morning coffee without all that "how did you get in here" nonsense.
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Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:24 pm |
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Hellified
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Gabor- I loved doing that on windy days. it feels like a helicopter. You get a workout flying behind the power curve.....then milking it to the front side.
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Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:37 pm |
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GyroGeorgia
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Hellified wrote: Gabor- I loved doing that on windy days. it feels like a helicopter. You get a workout flying behind the power curve.....then milking it to the front side. You beat me to it Stan... I was thinking this dude is really flirting with getting too far behind the power curve and loosing lift. NOT a takeoff for low time pilots. Did not catch which engine he had on that Dominator(?)... it does appear to be a 4 cyl opposed. Nor did I catch which pre-rotator he has... although it has to be a good one! Noted he almost lost it there just before taking off... that tip to the right could have become a mess.
_________________ John Morgan PP-SEL Former member PRA Member PeachState Rotorcraft club Member Sunstate Rotor & Wing Club Owner/builder of The Subinator: Single place Dominator/Subaru EA-81 (currently in full restoration) Soon to offer machine shop services
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Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:44 pm |
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Hillberg
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Wait as he's light on the wheels till he gets a gust & flips ass over tea kettle. Not for the faint of heart. If you want helicopter performance Get a helicopter.
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Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:05 pm |
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Gabor
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I might be a cautious one I guess.....or maybe just understanding physics more than the younger minds....... I am absolutely happy flying outside of the dead man's curve.
_________________A walk in the woods helps me relax and release tension. The fact that I am dragging a body should be entirely irrelevant! A simple thank you would have been enough for the morning coffee without all that "how did you get in here" nonsense.
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Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:13 pm |
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GyroGeorgia
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Gabor wrote: I might be a cautious one I guess.....or maybe just understanding physics more than the younger minds....... I am absolutely happy flying outside of the dead man's curve. You and me both.... There are bold pilots, and there are old pilots, yet there are few bold-old pilots...
_________________ John Morgan PP-SEL Former member PRA Member PeachState Rotorcraft club Member Sunstate Rotor & Wing Club Owner/builder of The Subinator: Single place Dominator/Subaru EA-81 (currently in full restoration) Soon to offer machine shop services
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Hillberg
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Had a few engine outs in the "dead mans curve" I'm still here.
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Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:42 pm |
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RotoPlane
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The "Dead-mans Curve" is certainly real for a helicopter.....not as much for an 'always in autorotation' gyroplane, when controlled by a seasoned pilot. Birdy has had several videos showing him flying behind the power curve. If I remember correctly, he has said something like "what dead mans curve? If you know your machine and use the correct control responses, you should be able to land safely while inside the power curve.", or something to that effect.
But then Birdy and Don know what parameter's one must stay clear of.....
If I was going to flirt around regularly within the power curve and thinking of having a power failure, for my AUW, I would want a high inertia rotor with a low lb/sq.ft. disk(~1.1 lb) and blades(<35 lb) areas. But then I'm not Birdy or Don.....if Don is Hillberg ;).
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Arnie M.
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Try doing that with a fixed wing !!!! .... (I have seen it done)
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Gabor
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_________________A walk in the woods helps me relax and release tension. The fact that I am dragging a body should be entirely irrelevant! A simple thank you would have been enough for the morning coffee without all that "how did you get in here" nonsense.
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Hellified
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Gabor- I feel its good to learn what flying behind the power curve feels like......after of course there is a lot of experience on the other side of the power curve. I used this experience one day when I had a stuck throttle on my RAF2000. I was in the pattern and external carb ice had locked up my throttle linkage, and I could not get it lower than 3/4 throttle. I aborted my first landing, and flew another pattern thinking should I just do a dead stick landing, or come in and simply slow fly it with the stuck throttle at 3/4 power, flying behind the power curve just a foot high off the runway, and turn the ignition off. That's what I did and it was so simple I would do it again.
In my opinion, one needs to slowly push the envelope and learn their machine.
Stan
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Gabor
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_________________A walk in the woods helps me relax and release tension. The fact that I am dragging a body should be entirely irrelevant! A simple thank you would have been enough for the morning coffee without all that "how did you get in here" nonsense.
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gyromike
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You're all talking about flying behind the power curve. How about that downwind turn he made? It was almost as if he were flying in reference to his airspeed and not his groundspeed.
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Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:59 am |
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GyroGeorgia
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Arnie M. wrote: .
Try doing that with a fixed wing !!!! .... (I have seen it done) Yeah, there is a competition of STOL folks in Alaska (and I am sure in Canada)... google it and watch the vids...
_________________ John Morgan PP-SEL Former member PRA Member PeachState Rotorcraft club Member Sunstate Rotor & Wing Club Owner/builder of The Subinator: Single place Dominator/Subaru EA-81 (currently in full restoration) Soon to offer machine shop services
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GyroGeorgia
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_________________ John Morgan PP-SEL Former member PRA Member PeachState Rotorcraft club Member Sunstate Rotor & Wing Club Owner/builder of The Subinator: Single place Dominator/Subaru EA-81 (currently in full restoration) Soon to offer machine shop services
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Hillberg
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As long as you are aware of the limits & take the right actions ,You'll for the most part of the time walk away, But it sure tears hell out of the equipment
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Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:13 pm |
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