It would be useful to know what specific corrections were made to the "bad builds." Might give folks something to look for if they were about to climb into one.

And yes...just went you get something designed fool-proof, we seem to find better fools.

I have discussed this stuff multiple times with autogyro. They do not respond well. The last time was 4 months ago with the new manager. However there might be hope. I have fixed close to 20 machine with all sorts of problems most to do with improper flight control systems and engine tuning. I have posted these threads befor only to be blasted and threatened by autogyro dealers. I might start calling the FAA to have them deal with these clowns.
I never blow smoke on this stuff and can back up every problem with documents. Still people like Camie and others blast me for trying to be safe. And I never name people except her in and posts. To her defense I have not found problems with her stuff.

Some one said they think they train better in Europe!

I do not think its that they train any better. We have some of the best CFIs in the world. However we also have some that are not very good at all.
Statistically Cavalons have a much higher learning curve then average just like an RAF. They are much more challenging to fly. They are heavier and do not land very easy. If you do not get quality landings down very clean profile flying you will struggle with them. They world wide have a higher accident rate then tandem machines. If you have these issues with poor training or just students that do not want to train or transition to the new aircraft you have problems. If you then add a bad build if thats the case then you have an even bigger problem.

For some reason in the USA Gyro people sometimes think that just because they have a rating they can fly every model made.
This is never the case in a fixed wing world. You always get checked out in any new aircraft or a refresher in one you already fly if you are not current.

​​​​​​​This seems not to transfer to gyro people.

John they would know it was from me but look on both forums one big post was about my list of build problems. I got total hell for that last year.

Thank you Bro that tells the tail and make sense. I always get checkout in each FW I transitioned into.
I did look for your post on RWF but it cannot go to the post.

Well.......I fly a Cavalon......and I'll tell you......it's not a gyro for a beginner!

The tip overs are because this model will not tolerate any slop on landing........the other issue I have with the machine is the take off procedure......too many are pulling her off early and accelerating in ground effect......just behind the power curve.

No tail wheel and lots of side area makes crosswind landings challenging for the low time pilots.

I get a lot of people wanting a Cavalon cuz they're sleek and comfortable.......
I try to inform them of all its shortcomings.....but just cuz ya gots money.....doesn't mean ya gots brains!!

It's a nice machine for traveling......but not for a low time gyro pilot.