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Author: | MadMuz [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:06 am ] |
Post subject: | 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
I went to Caboolture to our hangar today as we put the magazines in the envelopes for posting.... One of the guys went for a blast in this 2 seater, I am pretty sure it is a 'Patroney' with an EJ25.... I thought you guys might like to see it. It is a very nice machine, flies well.... it was 34 celcius and humid today, he said it was a bit sluggish from takeoff to about 200' then it was performing well.... being very hot and humid, even tho the strip is about 30' asl, it prolly felt like 4000' ![]() ![]() ![]() Enjoy.... |
Author: | elwood [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
That is cool, where is the turbo? ![]() |
Author: | MadMuz [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
Dammit! I knew something was missing ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | elwood [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
I like the tub body, The thing I didn't like about the MTO is the windshield right in your face, I was surprised how windy it was in the back even with the windshield. |
Author: | MadMuz [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
Yeah, I'd say that the person in the back gets plenty of wind.... part of the fun I reckon ![]() I like it that the radiator is above the engine, the only thing I would choose to do different is I don't like the single turning, full flying center element of the tail.... but it sure is a nice machine ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | elwood [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
Yep flying tails.......Bad |
Author: | autorotmachine [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
thanks muz for the pic good looking ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Gabor [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
I have to attest to that the back seat in the MTO is very windy. The front is not bad at all. Even for a big guy like me. I have never had much wind in my face in the front seat of the MTO. The air gets very swirly leaving the pilot. And that throws the rushing air in all directions for the backseater guy. There would be an easy solution. But I am too busy with other things .... like roofing and shit ![]() |
Author: | MadMuz [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
autorotmachine wrote: thanks muz for the pic good looking ![]() ![]() The aluminium we use is 2" x 2.5" (50mm x 63mm) 3/16" wall and the internal corners are rounded..... it is 6061t6 and certified so.... The stuff is so strong it is unbelievable.... I have seen masts from blade strikes and the mast is bent about 2" at the most.... Personally, I would like to see the mast with the same alloy and internal corners but 2" x 3" ..... but having seen what this stuff can take, I just get reminded it is plenty strong enough..... we have 30 year old machines flying and I have never seen any of it crack, anywhere,,,, strong stuff and it is the only stuff ASRA will allow. We cant use 2 pieces of 2"x 1" clamped together any more and we aren't allowed to use 2"x 2".... just this stuff ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | GyroGeorgia [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
We have a 'Mad Max' gyro at our hanger... the mast is 3 pieces of 1x2 AL tubing, 1/8" thick wall. But then... just about everything on that MadMax is beefy. As much as it pains me to say this... I am thankful for our FAA NOT being as involved as your ASRA (ARSA?) in aviation. |
Author: | MadMuz [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
I am actually quite grateful they are GG, we have had people try to make gyros out of steel scaffolding tubes and clamp joints, welded RHS and in the old days with the 2 pieces of 2" x 1" clamped together, the masts used to snap off from blade strikes, and spear pilots.... So, I am very happy with this extrusion.... makes a fairly well bulletproof frame for the style of gyro I like ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | autorotmachine [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
ok muz thanks for the info i ask because when i look the pic it dont look rectangular it look like my 2x2 dom mast but its a single place not ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | GyroGeorgia [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
MadMuz wrote: I am actually quite grateful they are GG, we have had people try to make gyros out of steel scaffolding tubes and clamp joints, welded RHS and in the old days with the 2 pieces of 2" x 1" clamped together, the masts used to snap off from blade strikes, and spear pilots.... So, I am very happy with this extrusion.... makes a fairly well bulletproof frame for the style of gyro I like ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This is a tricky one Muz... On the one hand... it is good to have basic standards... they tend to keep folks from killing themselves... and more importantly; OTHERS! On the other hand... Polecats tend to take control WAAAY beyond where it needs to go... simply because they are control freaks. IMO there is a legitimate argument for the safety of by-standers... However (again IMO) if some zero wants to build a gyro from scaffolding and kills himself... well that is the responsibility side of freedom.... One makes a decision, and is responsible for it... the way TRUE freedom works IMO. This idea the govt will protect me from making stupid choices... is IMO not freedom. TRUE freedom is I choose to pay attention to what I say and do... that is, take responsibility for it. One is an easy peasy way to coast through life... the other requires one to think first and refrain sometimes. And IMO the latter requires more maturity and wisdom to live. Tricky balance.... folks do need to be governed.... yet govt in and of itself can be tyrannical (tyranny... which is supposed to be illegal in the USA). |
Author: | autorotmachine [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
ok when you talk about steel scaffolding tubes muz ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | MadMuz [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
That is some scary construction Martin ![]() Yes, it becomes a difficult situation saying what can be used, or what cant be used more specifically..... I am sure that a good frame could be made from bonded, laminated ply wood.... and prolly rhs steel, although heavy, might be up to the job.... I don't kmow how it works in ![]() ![]() If someone has no license, they never agreed to let the highway police enforce rules on them and they haven't agreed to follow any rules at all.... and the police/courts cant take someones license if they don't have one ![]() Same with gyros..... if someone in ![]() ![]() The unfortunate thing is that even tho the machines are built to a good standard now, pilots still insist on building machines without suitable HS or choose to build HTL machines which often brings them undone still...... the fact that pilots are not learning the skills of rotor handling and hand spinning, and the fact that some machines now can't be hand started.... and also the fact that crowds/friends/family/cameras often incite pilots to push that extra little bit too hard and roll perfectly good machines in balls ![]() Out west, I am sure people are still flying gyros with hardware bolts, fence post suspension, wheel barrow wheels and milk crates for seats and dog leashes for seat belts..... as long as they don't fly over suburbs and towns and crash onto schools and shopping centers and draw attention to us, the legal gyro fliers, then all is good I guess? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | autorotmachine [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
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Author: | MadMuz [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
Thanks Martin....This guy's wife also flies gyros... she has a pink RAF, I think it is, that got damaged and is being rebuilt..... I think it is a RAF, if Russ or any of the Aussies read this, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | autorotmachine [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
i think this guy will be better with your t6 extrusion and bolted plate like the yellow in your pic that never crack than is thin metal and grinding weld if it start to look like this with vibration crack in flight thing can be not to fun and real ugly |
Author: | elwood [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
Wow! that was just one flight away from a smoking hole! |
Author: | autorotmachine [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 2 seat Aussie-Tub at Caboolture today |
bolted aluminum is more predictable and easyer to work with even magni put double tig welded plating reinforcement on is 4130 frame for me if jake build is gyro with bolted aluminum and he is a top-pro tig welder if he dont do it, its because its not Worth it |
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