I think it is a conspiracy that they made helicopters harder to fly!!!
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| Author: | elwood [ Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The days of cool stuff Lockheed AH-56 Cheyenne |
I think it is a conspiracy that they made helicopters harder to fly!!!
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| Author: | Arnie M. [ Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The days of cool stuff Lockheed AH-56 Cheyenne |
. Cruise speed: 225 mph (195 knots, 362 km/h) Maximum speed: 244 mph (212 knots, 393 km/h) (Just thinking out loud) - Several ways to look at it 1 --- at high speed the Cheyenne was a pusher gyro with stub wings ... or 2 --- the Cheyenne was a high speed gyro capable of vertical takeoff and landing ... or 3 --- at high speed the Cheyenne was mostly a fixed wing and the rotor was mostly for control ... or 4 --- maybe all the above I made up #3 ... I could be wrong .... it is based on what Zuckerman hinted at .... blade pitch was near zero and rotor disc was kept as flat as possible to reduce drag ... he said it flew like a fixed wing and the rotor was only used for control (instead of using ailerons) I am also thinking that a slight mistake would let oncoming air see the top of the disk and make it go negative into the fuselage. .............. Interesting "feature" as a gunship ..... nose down (dive) on target .... then go full reverse pitch on rear prop to slow the dive and keep it hanging in the air as long as possible . |
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| Author: | Arnie M. [ Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The days of cool stuff Lockheed AH-56 Cheyenne |
elwood wrote: I think it is a conspiracy that they made helicopters harder to fly!!! You're not the first one to say that .... haaaa .... some of the early Kaman inter-meshers , or a Hiller 12's with lead weights in the servo paddles were so easy to fly they claimed the factory secretary flew it with only 5 minutes of instruction . But the male ego demanded they make helicopters unstable and hard to fly ... otherwise we wouldn't have anything to brag about. . . |
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| Author: | Arnie M. [ Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:10 pm ] |
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. Powertrain . |
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| Author: | Henry Bowman [ Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:51 pm ] |
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You guys know how much I have always loved the Cheyenne. Its one of my two favorite rotorwings. The 40 mm auto lock cannon was too fucking bad ass.to waste on small indigenous people.... Now for the sake of bad assery... Consider a tactical fairey rotordyne loaded to the hilt with ordnance! |
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| Author: | MadMuz [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The days of cool stuff Lockheed AH-56 Cheyenne |
elwood wrote: I think it is a conspiracy that they made helicopters harder to fly!!! That may well have been true... but now it has gone the other way I think? Some of the new choppers they use forrescue and stuff, the big boogers.... are flown with one small joystick in the armrest and dont have pedals or cyclic.... just a swivel drivers seat so the pilot can turn to look back at the patient also. These machines have gps and auto hover.... the pilot of one (on 'helicopter heros' on fox) said that today (a few years ago) the helicopter flies itself, the pilot merely tells it where to go and where to stay. To me, as with cars and everything else, what used to be hard and needed some dedication to learn, now are so easy that anyone with half a brain can do it without training.... What I mwan by that, is with heli's, to hover, the pilot needed a couple of reference points, one in front-ish and one at 90 degrees which he learned to keep in his periferal vision, so the machine would stay within a few yards of where he wants/needs it.... his hands and feet coordinating the pedals, cyclic and collective.... now.... just steer it to where you want to be, type in the heading or push the 'maintain current heading' button and hit auto hover. The machine will also even do a small circuit and come back once the time limit for hover has been reached, the pilot doesnt even hve to be facing the front... the machine will do it alone. I dont know if it is the same over your side, but today at our schools, in the running races, there is no winners trophys.... everyone gets a trophy whether they came first or last? So, all kids will end up with a full trophy cabinet.... even if they were useless at everything? Evidently, like in a foot race.... the winner 'FEELS' good getting a trophy and all of the losers FEEL bad not getting one.... so, therefore, rather than have anyone disappointed for not getting a trophy, they all get one  To me, that just makes ther no point in being the fastest runner  you will get a trophy any way, where one used to have to learn to fly a helicopter, now they are being made so anyone can fly them.... We live in a strange world  Will children/humans one day be like the Borg? Not individuals, but merely part of the system?    
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| Author: | Arnie M. [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:49 am ] |
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| Author: | Arnie M. [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:53 am ] |
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| Author: | Arnie M. [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:55 am ] |
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| Author: | elwood [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:25 am ] |
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Cool! Thanks Arnie! |
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| Author: | Gabor [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:34 am ] |
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Thank you Narnie for digging them up! 
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| Author: | elwood [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:35 am ] |
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Where is the gyro thing they were talking about? |
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| Author: | DasStuka [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:51 pm ] |
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Thanks Arnie, you dig up some of the neatest stuff! |
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| Author: | Arnie M. [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:42 pm ] |
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elwood wrote: Where is the gyro thing they were talking about? They must have removed it , or maybe someone stole it ??? .... looks like one tail rotor bent from vandalism or something. I would like to see a closeup of the gyro control and will keep digging . A lot of my stuff is on an old computer from 23 years ago . . |
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| Author: | MadMuz [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The days of cool stuff Lockheed AH-56 Cheyenne |
"I don't care. I want a blue one"  
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| Author: | Mick_Taylor [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The days of cool stuff Lockheed AH-56 Cheyenne |
Didjya ever notice that military helicopters are often named after a native American tribe? Here's a list: Apache, Cheyenne, Mojave, Iroquois, Chinook, Cayuse, Kiowa, Black Hawk, Comanche, Arapaho. |
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| Author: | elwood [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The days of cool stuff Lockheed AH-56 Cheyenne |
The Army has always named their helicopters after native American tribes, except for the Cobra, that even got some of the natives upset... https://medium.com/war-is-boring/everyo ... .3ffb4fku6 |
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| Author: | Gabor [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:27 am ] |
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Nowadays everyone is fucking offended of every fucking thing! ChopperReid would say "harden the fuck up" 
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| Author: | MadMuz [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:40 pm ] |
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Gabor wrote: Nowadays everyone is fucking offended of every fucking thing!
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| Author: | Arnie M. [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The days of cool stuff Lockheed AH-56 Cheyenne |
. Long technical read (PDF ) ... just wanted to get it off my old computer and link it here ........................................................................... AD-771-914 ATTACK HELICOPTER EVALUATION AH-56A CHEYENNE COMPOUND HELICOPTER John N. Johnson et al Army Aviation Systems Test Activity Edwards Air Force Base , California June 1972 http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/771914.pdf .............................................................................. |
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