It is currently Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:02 pm



Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 
 Going beyond TBO - Lyc - Cont - Rotax 
Author Message
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:25 am
Posts: 4135
Has thanked: 5955 times
Been thanked: 4310 times
.

(quote) .... Many owners and mechanics start getting nervous when an aircraft engine gets to TBO. Although the FAA doesn't require Part 91 operators to overhaul at TBO, countless numbers of healthy engines are euthanized when reach that consecrated number of hours. In this webinar, Mike Busch talks about his own extensive experience operating past TBO that has convinced him that TBO is a concept that is best ignored.

.


Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:06 am
Profile

Joined: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:39 am
Posts: 59
Has thanked: 120 times
Been thanked: 89 times
TBO are somewhat like best before dates ... created by someone to protect their arse not yours and done with a large margin of security again for them


Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:33 am
Profile
Online
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:56 am
Posts: 3073
Location: VERY LOW LOW LOW EARTH ORBIT
Has thanked: 3078 times
Been thanked: 3854 times
TBO is a recommendation not a limit
Cycle and Time on some accessories are more strict then on the power plant.

Some engines have finite times on some airframes and other airframes the engines do not...TCDS has the limits


Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:24 pm
Profile

Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:39 am
Posts: 1056
Location: France
Has thanked: 649 times
Been thanked: 1735 times
hi,

on my 582 I don't accept the 300 hours TBO, I think it is destructive to totally open an engine at 300 hours.

on the other hand I am performing many tests like air leaking tests ( positive and negative) using exhauts lids I have machined and a positive/negative pumps with a pressure gage

I will be doing the TBO at 500 hours which make more sens for me .

opening the crankcase every 300 hours is stupid in my opinion .. it is more dangerous for then engine then to run the engine 200 hours more (3 years for me)

and engine is telling us many things before braking out .

and in the case the engine give bad signs, It has to be opened before it's nominal Tbo


Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:33 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:25 am
Posts: 4135
Has thanked: 5955 times
Been thanked: 4310 times
Girodreamer wrote:
hi,

on my 582 I don't accept the 300 hours TBO, I think it is destructive to totally open an engine at 300 hours.

on the other hand I am performing many tests like air leaking tests ( positive and negative) using exhauts lids I have machined and a positive/negative pumps with a pressure gage

I will be doing the TBO at 500 hours which make more sens for me .

opening the crankcase every 300 hours is stupid in my opinion .. it is more dangerous for then engine then to run the engine 200 hours more (3 years for me)

and engine is telling us many things before braking out .

and in the case the engine give bad signs, It has to be opened before it's nominal Tbo


I agree .... if I am curious about engine condition I would remove the plugs and take a look with a bore-scope.

I have known guys who pull the jugs from a Lycoming to check pistons and valves and afterwards complain they have lost a bit of compression and oil consumption has gone up ....

When an engine is broken in and rings are seated the last thing you should do is take it apart because you never get the rings back in the exact same spot they were.

.


Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:25 am
Profile

Joined: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:39 am
Posts: 59
Has thanked: 120 times
Been thanked: 89 times
Don't fix what ain't broken


Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:50 am
Profile
Online
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:45 am
Posts: 10129
Location: Poona, Qld, OZZY
Has thanked: 21874 times
Been thanked: 6221 times
In Australia, the TBO is the absolute law.... I believe it is 1500 hours they have a minor overhaul (heads off/no crank case splitting) then at 3000 hours, major service (complete overhaul including jugs and pistons... at 4500 hours, throw that motor in the trash... or, what actually happens is they are sold to you guys in the USA, or other countries who don't stick to TBOs. :noidea

I have actually heard of planes crashing because their perfectly good motor fails AFTER a TBO. One was a Tiger Moth on a (paid) joyflight over Sydney... the pilot said over the coms to the passenger "Hey! Do you want to stop for a meat pie and a beer?"... the passenger said "sure, why not"... so the plane landed on a football field in the middle of the city. :badluck

The passenger got out and said "Where's my pie?" and the pilot said "Sorry, I lied... we just crashed"

The plane had given years (over 70) of good service, but the perfect running motor "had" to be totally dismantled and rebuilt... the replacement oil pump was a dud and failed some 10 hours after the rebuild.

Had the motor not been disturbed by having a compulsory rebuild. it would likely have not failed :head

Luckily, the pilot was good, he managed to land the plane without damage in the middle of the city. :like :yoda2 :Wolvie

:Jim

:Confederate

I agree... it should be "if it aint broke, don't fix it" I mean, compression checks, oil forensics (analysing oil samples), cutting open oil filters, listening for noises, vibration testing, crank run-out measuring wobble at the prop flange and thrust movement by pushing stationary crank in as far as possible, then measuring how far it can be pulled forward... can find out the condition of the bottom end without splitting crank cases for no reason.

_________________
I do all of my own stunts..... most of them are even planned! Ok, Ok.... some of them are planned..

If electricity comes from ELECTRONS, then surely morality comes from MORONS??


Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:05 am
Profile
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:39 pm
Posts: 139
Has thanked: 144 times
Been thanked: 424 times
My student-era flying club had a 172 with 3500 original hours on its O-320.
And only a screen, no oil filter.
The club owner was a great A&P, I might add....

_________________
Famous-Infamous for speaking the truth on "the other forum" from 2014-2019.


Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:06 pm
Profile
Reply to topic   [ 8 posts ] 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 468 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Designed by ST Software.
Americanized by Maƫl Soucaze.