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GyroGerald wrote:

MAD MUZ
This gyro is somewhat of a sleeper.
The "tub" is designed so that it acts as the flotation device. Its rated at 10 hours in water before filling.
Also the rotax was specially tuned and receives a 450 hour guarantee from any major failure.
Thats the appeal of this American made gyro compared to the others.

GyroGerald wrote:

Gabor wrote:

Muz just remember that this baby was originated from Hungary!

Now find some naked chicks Muz and post them here damn it!

JonCarleton wrote:

I know a lot of people don't land them like a "traditional" gyroplane, ....... I think it is more they way folks are instructing than the capabilities of the machines.

JonCarleton wrote:

I know a lot of people don't land them like a "traditional" gyroplane, but one can. Look at the landing 4:10 on this video.

Author:	GyroGerald [ Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:05 pm ]
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Author:	MadMuz [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:31 pm ]
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Beautiful video as always Gerald I cant believe how fast they land those things no wonder they tip them over so often (tubs that is) They also trust the mighty rotax.... no way I would be skimming over water at that altitude.... not even with a new rotax.... I just wish someone would make one of those without it looking like all of the others? I know they are 'lovingly' called clones.... but do they have to be absolutely identical? So, all I saw in that beautiful shot video, as a clone that looks like the rest of them, except with a dull paint job and the word 'American' stuck on it... flown with in my opinion with 'bad airmanship' (flying over water and not being able to glide to land if the motor fails) and finally, just to add further insult... it was also landed like a Cessna? There is at least a dozen clones now... do people still copying the same thing and teaching/insisting that people fly then incorrectly... do the manufacturers still believe they are building something new and spectacular? Or do they realise they are just building 'another clone of a clone'? Ho hum.... I mean Jakka designed that in the 70's or 80's??

Author:	Flying Wolverine [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:57 pm ]
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Muz what are you saying??? If it fly's like a duck it's not a duck? Build a gyro for us you think it should be like, this way dull paint jobs and flying over water at low altitude will be safer and look better doing it!! Jus saying.....

Author:	GyroGerald [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: American AR-1 Video Flying
MAD MUZ This gyro is somewhat of a sleeper. The "tub" is designed so that it acts as the flotation device. Its rated at 10 hours in water before filling. Also the rotax was specially tuned and receives a 450 hour guarantee from any major failure. Thats the appeal of this American made gyro compared to the others.

Author:	MadMuz [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: American AR-1 Video Flying
I believe you.... after all Cammie has that gyro that can climb out of a canyon if the motor stops... so, as long as the plug is in the tub, it could take days to sink? I just wish someone would try landing them like a gyro rather than a FW.... There have been a few go over here.... they always claim to have been hit by a 'freak gust of wind' I say the 'wind' is simply the speed they are going when they touch down

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Author:	GyroGerald [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:57 pm ]
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GyroGerald wrote: MAD MUZ This gyro is somewhat of a sleeper. The "tub" is designed so that it acts as the flotation device. Its rated at 10 hours in water before filling. Also the rotax was specially tuned and receives a 450 hour guarantee from any major failure. Thats the appeal of this American made gyro compared to the others. JUST KIDDING We knew there was a risk of getting wet, sometimes art has risk. I'm pretty sure that the landing was me. Greg trains to basically land with no throttle unless its needed. In training sometimes I would try to get more of an approach if I was able to. Many times we would land between the numbers and watch out for jump planes or other traffic. I thought the landing gear was very forgiving These gyros are painted very nice and not dull. If it looks dull try watching video in HD. I dont have enough experience personally to say the AR-1 flys better than another similar two place, but others seem to be impressed with it. I did a kinda interview video that has Abid explaining the build process and some of the differences in the American AR-1 compared to others, (I need to edit the video and put it on youtube) Check out the training video I did with Greg.

Author:	Flying Wolverine [ Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:29 am ]
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GyroGerald wrote: MAD MUZ This gyro is somewhat of a sleeper. The "tub" is designed so that it acts as the flotation device. Its rated at 10 hours in water before filling. Also the rotax was specially tuned and receives a 450 hour guarantee from any major failure. Thats the appeal of this American made gyro compared to the others. Quack Quack Quack!!! I can provide a yellow rubber duck for that tube...a rubba dubb dubb!!!

Author:	MadMuz [ Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:05 am ]
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Don't worry Gerald, I am just being my usual self I am sure Abid makes a great machine... I just have an 'issue' with all of the euro clones.... it isn't even just the clones.... it is everything today! All cars look the same, all motorcycles look the same, they are all the same colors and all do exactly the same thing.... I am not picking on you nor Abid, I am just grumpy I am disappointed that the new 'gyroplanes' with all of their 'manual corrected' faults, have forced so many new rules onto gyrocopter pilots.... rules that weren't needed until the 'ocean liner class' gyroplanes came along..... I must say in favor of Abids machine, I do like the lower sides making it more of a sit on than a sit in..... Sitting in a high sided machine with just the helmet above the side is not my cup of tea.... (unless in Alaska or somewhere cold) The flying over water thing is just very important over here... art or not, to be seen flying over water unable to reach land without a life jacket and all that ..... over here, we would be in court and about $10K lighter after CASA finished fining us..... My biggest 'gripe' with the modern 'titanic class' gyroplanes is how people are taught to land them.... I admit, I have not flown one and I have no desire to.... but landing a gyro should be swoop, stop and plop.... so from 200' over the thresh hold with engine idling...... decending nose down to maintain the airspeed and flaring at the bottom and landing at walking pace or less.... then STOP to unload the rotors.... then taxy on.... Touching down at any speed faster than you can run is asking for trouble imo.... and instructors demand students do it I understand that at a sealed GA airport, one has to fly similar speeds and stuff as spam cans so as not to get run over by them.... but there are ways of dealing with that, which I have mentioned before. I just believe gyrocopter and gyroplane pilots should all know basic rotor handling including hand starting rotors.... something I know is not allowed on many tubs, because it is disallowed in 'the manual' due to lack of clearance.... and this is alot of my issue with the clones. All gyro pilots (IMP) should be trained to land their machine with the engine idling..... so if at any altitude the engine fails (yes, even the mighty rotax can fail) they just do a 'normal' landing.... rather than be forced to learn a spam can powered landing.... and if the engine stops, the pilot has to try to remember how to land without the engine.... what one learns first, is what he will 'default' to.... I say make that default setting in one's head, a normal power off GYROCOPTER landing ..... I didn't realise that was you flying.... well done Just, do yourself a favor... learn to land properly

Author:	Gabor [ Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:05 am ]
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Muz just remember that this baby was originated from Hungary! My homeys stole it....freaking gypsies are like Chinese ...... anyways ..... from the original version Greg and Abid had done a GREAT job of making the damn thing actually fly well and being controllable. It has come a long ways from the "wanna be" gyro once a trike company created. I am glad they have made it a good gyro. I have flown the original "updated" version with the 914 and it did perform well and it landed practically itself.....do to some miscommunication between Greg and I.....we both thought the other one was landing it So the next one turned out to be better by me actually holding the stick instead trying to follow through.... Anyways. Rotax 900 series are as reliable as a good ole Lycoming or Continental these days. If there was a daily event of Rotax powered machines fell out of the sky ..... I would say shit man! You are gutsy! But that's not the case. We have to fly out of KDED for at least the first 7-8 minutes over trees and it is not our choice!!!!! Soooo a low level (fast pace like in the video) is OK with me. Besides Gerald is an olympic swimmer I remember I was the very first ones putting a full down autorotation on youtube and got my ass chewed out for it. The school owner wanted me to delete it because " what if the FAA "???? I refused of course. I paid for the helicopter and I do whatever I want to with the footage. Of course I got my ass fired but that's a secondary matter All in all the riskier the video the more it suggests that the things demonstrated in it are normal usage. And they are becoming just that! Good for them! Now find some naked chicks Muz and post them here damn it!

Author:	MadMuz [ Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:17 am ]
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Gabor wrote: Muz just remember that this baby was originated from Hungary! Now find some naked chicks Muz and post them here damn it! That was what I was worried about And yes , your wish is my command, oh mighty one

Author:	JonCarleton [ Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:30 pm ]
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I know a lot of people don't land them like a "traditional" gyroplane, but one can. Look at the landing 4:10 on this video. I doubt I touched down at over 10 mph ('cause I wanted to make the first taxiway and go to lunch). I think it is more they way folks are instructing than the capabilities of the machines.

Author:	elwood [ Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:48 pm ]
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I was amazed at how slow we were able to land in the white Tango 2.

Author:	MadMuz [ Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:12 pm ]
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JonCarleton wrote: I know a lot of people don't land them like a "traditional" gyroplane, ....... I think it is more they way folks are instructing than the capabilities of the machines. That is my point Jon.... it seems to me that in general, people who have only ever been involved with euro clones and never flown an actual gyrocopter (and had an engine failure or 3) are told by the clone 'manual' that you approach at 60 kts and touch down at 48 kts for a 'nice long roll out' or whatever they are taught.... a gyro with its rotors still spinning hard on the ground at any speed is vulnerable to so many different forces and things.... if one mainwheel gets slowed down by long or wet grass in one side and not the other.... if it has differential brakes on the mains and one is put on harder than the other..... a gust of cross wind or some wake turbulence.... even a runway with a high crown in the middle or lots of camber.... they all can spell disaster for a 3 wheeled machine with an unbelievably high CofG that is shortly coupled (wheelbase) pushed from the middle and the huge drag from 2 yards above... drag that can be alot one second and none the next with the movement of the stick or a gust of wind... Spam cans are the same.... you don't taxy at your stall speed.... once they are firmly on the ground, you slow well below the stall speed... so it doesn't lift off with a small gust.... you don't want to be in that zone in between taxy speed and lift off speed, or touchdown speed and taxy speed any longer than necessary. If someone wants an example of how unstable a gyro is on the ground at speed... get a 2 yard ladder and put it on a trailer, then sit at the top and get someone to drive.... see if you keep asking them to drive faster... or slower.... especially when turning that is why I always say. a gyro should be either fully on the ground or fully in the air... either 3 wheels on or 3 wheels off.... and pilots should plan that they spend as little time as possible in the risky zone in between.... which is at any speed on the ground with the rotors turning hard on any less than 3 wheels.... Being at speed on the ground on a gyro is like trying to ride a skateboard whilst on stilts while trying to spin a big plate on top..... The tub manufacturers for so long have wanted to be accepted by the spam can community that they have made the things fly so similar to a FW.... sort of like 'indian whispers' .... each time someone who knows nothing about how a gyro should fly, sees that the tub they are cloning (better than the last clone) has certain 'issues' and if some 'cure' for the issue can be written into 'the manual'(to cover their butt).... they will write it in the manual. This leads to the manual being nothing more than a way for manufacturers to not be held accountable for the problems their machines have.... rather than a book of how the gyro should be flown safely....

Author:	MadMuz [ Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:44 pm ]
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JonCarleton wrote: I know a lot of people don't land them like a "traditional" gyroplane, but one can. Look at the landing 4:10 on this video. yes, the landing at 420 was better than the speed of the landing at the slow motion part at 317 or whatever it was. But the powered approach is too flat? Same as a spam can. Think of the speed like cash in the bank... if you are approaching with power long and flat.... if the power suddenly stops for some reason.... you have no credit..... you will be forced to lower the nose to get some speed and if you are low to the ground, it will be a hard landing with little rotor inertia to use in a flare If you approach like a gyro, the motor will be idling ( a credit card ), you will be descending at like 45 degrees (like falling down a mine shaft) with plenty of rotor speed that wouldn't matter if the motor did stop.... when you get to flare height, the rotors will have so much energy to spare.... once you have the mains on at about walking speed, let the nose wheel on the ground after unloading the rotors (probably even backing up a little).... then taxying once there is no chance the rotors will accidently lift you off in a gust and the gyroscopic action is much lowered from the now slow spinning rotors...... To land at speed and taxy with the rotors still hammering.... especially if turning (and sticking into the turn spam can style) is like asking to roll over.... If anyone has ever done a full flap glide landing in a 150 or 152 into a head wind.... that is a very gyro like landing.... nose way down to keep the 60 kts.... almost hanging in your seat belts and the windscreen full of runway.... then flare as late as you dare and plop on like a seagull.... this is the landings a clone should do every time.... and once proficient at that.... when one can do that sort of landing 'in their sleep' then go onto powered approaches

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