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Author:  Henry Bowman [ Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:23 pm ]
Post subject:  politics and confusion
I decided to read both side of the coin as far as the media is concerned to get a gauge on whether or not Trump might win.

I have been reading the comments section of Brietbart as well as the Washington Post.

After reading both sections for days, it is clear and obvious to me that the bulk of liberal Democrats don't actually "like" HRC, they just hate Trump....

But most interesting is that for every tenet that we hold as knowledge, like the fact that the media is all Liberal lapdogs....the liberals see as Republican owned media giants!
They honestly believe from their multitude of comments that HRC is beset upon by the right wing to try to make her look guilty constantly....for the last 30 years!

It has left me with a concern that as long as both sides see the same results but disagree with what they say.....how can you possibly convince one side or another to make a decision in the country's best interest.

Its all really disappointing. Its obvious that critical thinking is a dead art.
Author:  MadMuz [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:38 am ]
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People are just extremely stupid these days Hen :badluck

They want it ALL... and they want it all, RIGHT NOW!....

If someone says they can arrange that, people will vote for them... even if the person has no intention of delivering what they promise :noidea

The world has gone stupid..... all anyone cares about is themselves....they cant see the big picture (unless it is on one of their big screen TV's)

We only get small, distorted info over here... usually 'Anti- Trump' because Fox is big over here...

So, who is likely to win as it stands? :noidea :wol2 :Wolvie

:Confederate
Author:  loftus [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:17 am ]
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Enough stupidity to go around unfortunately - stupidity on the left, but the stupidity on the right this season outdoes the left by a mile. Start with choosing Trump!
If there was ever a season that the Dems had a weak and flawed candidate that almost any other Republican candidate could have trashed, it would be this season. Just think about all those possible candidates, Rubio, Romney, even Cruz and Bush. All would be cleaning HRC's clock right now. Go on as you will about how bad all these other candidates are and how Trump is better etc, but sadly Trump never read the book 'How to win friends and influence people'. It's no good bitching about 'liberal bias' - all's fair in love war and politics. Trump has given the libs and HRC people a virtual treasure trove of screw ups to take advantage of.
So yes the right have committed the ultimate shoot yourself in the foot expression of stupidity. This election would be all but over now if the right's main intent had been more than just to stick a finger in the eye of the 'establishment'. Mitt Romney would be looking pretty invincible right now. Hate him as much as you like, but he sure would be looking good right now vs the HRC option. Whatever you'd like to believe about the polls - when you look at the electoral college - HRC is looking pretty much like a shoe in.
Author:  Gabor [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:34 am ]
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The republican party has grown into a confused power player without a direction and the refusal of answering the call of change as our culture and society demands its evolution.
They are rigid and holding onto losing ideologies.
The democrats are downright criminals.
Gary Johnson is a sorry sap.
We have now 3 people (not counting Green) to pick from that are just downright clueless.
Trump has the excuse for not being a politician.
The other two has no excuse.
I am still going with the non politician.
The Libertarian party (my party) needs to up their game.
This was their chance!!!! This shit will never return.
They could have put an interesting candidate up instead of the boring guy with minus fifteen rating of charisma.
Ron Paul had a good run and had the same attraction as Bernie.
The "professor" looks that millenials identify with.
Am I the only one noticing that you have to put someone likable out there if you want votes?
Not one of the 3 candidates are likable....not 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well played little grasshopper.....well played.....dumbasses!
Author:  loftus [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:37 am ]
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Gabor wrote:
The republican party has grown into a confused power player without a direction and the refusal of answering the call of change as our culture and society demands its evolution.
They are rigid and holding onto losing ideologies.
The democrats are downright criminals.
Gary Johnson is a sorry sap.
We have now 3 people (not counting Green) to pick from that are just downright clueless.
Trump has the excuse for not being a politician.
The other two has no excuse.
I am still going with the non politician.
The Libertarian party (my party) needs to up their game.
This was their chance!!!! This shit will never return.
They could have put an interesting candidate up instead of the boring guy with minus fifteen rating of charisma.
Ron Paul had a good run and had the same attraction as Bernie.
The "professor" looks that millenials identify with.
Am I the only one noticing that you have to put someone likable out there if you want votes?
Not one of the 3 candidates are likable....not 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well played little grasshopper.....well played.....dumbasses!

I'm just hopeful that Johnson will get in the debates, not that he has a chance to win, but I think this is the first time since I have been in the US, that there seems to be a real groundswell of awareness of a need for alternative parties and candidates at all levels, not just for president, but congress and senate as well. End the farcical duocracy that pretends to be a democracy.
Author:  Gabor [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:16 am ]
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I don't think the two parties will allow that to happen.
I wish there was a real strong Fairtax and abolishing IRS kind of Libertarian candidate who is willing to protect America.
Bob Barr fucked it up by being a pussy!!!!!
He turned soooo many people off of the Libertarian party.
:punch
Author:  Flying Wolverine [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:26 pm ]
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Screw all the PARTIES I say.

I wasn't invited so :fuckum

VOTE the candidate based on their political records or personal background and against the failures and successes they may have.

Groups and "INSIDER" clubs are just a means to an end for power and personal enrichment set out to eventually fuck the general population
that has to suffer these bad actors. Politically any way. It's always US vs. THEM bullshit!!

Nevermind...I'm just ranting now. :realcrazy :goofy :closed
Author:  Henry Bowman [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: politics and confusion
Loftus,
Cant you see?
Your post is EXACTLY what I was talking about...
You dont "like" Clinton....you just hate Trump.

And I'm willing to bet there is absoloutely no way to change your mind on the subject.....
Just like there will never be a time when I am not certain the Hillary and Bill shohld be tried for treason.
And even though we both share common backgrounds and enjoy many of the smae things, this impenetrable wall will always exist because our brains are obviously processing the same data to different conclusions.

No Im not suggesting that we all have to agree... Im suggesting that starting right now, we need to teach every man woman and child the process of using a logic tree to make better decisions, as well as critical thinking.

Perhaps its just an education thing.
Author:  elwood [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: politics and confusion
At least Gary Johnson quit smoking pot while He campaings for prez.
:laughing
Author:  RayNAiken [ Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:46 pm ]
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elwood wrote:
At least Gary Johnson quit smoking pot while He campaings for prez.
:laughing

Did he? Are you sure? Now a days its nothing for a politician to lie.
Author:  RayNAiken [ Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:47 pm ]
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Author:  Arnie M. [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:25 am ]
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This is going to be the most interesting election ever .... I have been a cautious supporter of Trump but was expecting by now we would be seeing lots of leadership qualities and intelligent political platforms being presented .... but he has not ...... makes me wonder if Loftus was right when he said he is a showman without substance.

But a guy like Trump does not get where he is without having something on the ball , but he has a very short time to prove it .... at the very least he should be trying to convince the Republican party to fully endorse him , but that might make him look like "the establishment" that he is trying to clean out.

Anyway ... an interesting video from 1999 where Jesse Jackson praises Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K1-nzxzzug
Author:  Henry Bowman [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:50 am ]
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Surprising comment Arnie as I process what I have seen as very statesmanlike behavior and cli tons vitriolic speeches as whining.
He went to louisiana not the
He went to Mexico not them
He has gone to detroit not them
In all these places he IS winning votes, yes, but the outsiders watching are seeing a statesman in action.
Also listen to what he actually says, not what the media reports him saying.

To paraphrase Batman..."Hes not the hero gotham deserves, but the hero gotham needs"
Author:  Hellified [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: politics and confusion
Like Trump or not....he is anti-establishment, and thus his huge crowds everywhere he goes...btw...the size of these crowds are seldom touched on by the left socialist media.

It is sickening to me seeing how Trump has to go up against the constant media barage against him.

His basic message I am behind, but he sure gives Hillary a lot of stones to throw back at him. If he would shut that narcissistic mouth of his , and behave more presidential, I feel he would easily win.

I will side almost everytime with the opposite of the Hollywood elites and the socialist liberal media. I feel it is an honor to have opposing views to these two groups.

I still don't believe Hillary beat Sanders. His crowds were huge , at least on my TV screen. She is following Hitlers playbook , at least very similarly..

In my opinion, Trump will win, but we haven't seen the last of Ovomit. Either a 3rd term via Marshall law, or Ovomit being the head of the U.N.

Hey, this is just my opinion, one I am entitled to just like everyone else here!
Author:  Gabor [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:38 am ]
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As I said. It is President Trump. No question about it.
He will become a very good president.
None of the nay sayers will ever admit it.
Reagan had the same treatment. (not saying Trump is Reagan....he couldn't win today!!!)
We need radical changes in order to put back the country on track.
He has some radical ideas.
I hope he sticks with them.
:wol
Author:  elwood [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:49 am ]
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Funny how trump has been in the public eye for 30+ years and was never called racist until He decide to run for president.
Hitlery, Ovomit, and the entire Dnc, are using the Comunist manifesto as their play book, the occupy wall street, BLM and others right out of the manifesto, with some Saul Alinsky thrown in.
brief over veiw: http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

Read it here: http://manybooks.net/titles/marxengelse ... nif12.html
Author:  Flying Wolverine [ Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:51 am ]
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All I know is I am sure I will be thirsty come next year once Trump is Prez........... :yoda2 :laughing
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