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Author:	elwood [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:22 am ]
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I thought that you could not use an experimental aircraft for hire in any sort of capacity? They use RV-4's it looks like, http://www.skycombatace.com/

Author:	Gabor [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:24 am ]
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They can always apply for a LODA and it is perfectly legal then.

Author:	MadMuz [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:42 am ]
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There is ways around everything... when I used to fly cessnas, I wasnt allowed to even take any money as share in the cost... so, I am proud to say I never once took a penny off anyone to help pay for the cost.... not one red cent.... and that is 100% the truth.... But everyone who went for a fly with me each bought a souvenir pen that cost $40 if they didn't want to buy a souvenir pen... they didnt get to go for a ride... The pens were awesome... they even had proper writing on them... it read 'Been In Cessna' Yes, you read it here... BIC was indeed written on the souvenir pen Some of them were even used/stolen... which made them 'collectable'

Author:	Hillberg [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:34 pm ]
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elwood wrote: I thought that you could not use an experimental aircraft for hire in any sort of capacity? They use RV-4's it looks like, http://www.skycombatace.com/ aerobatic training, add smoke and a gun sight.

Author:	elwood [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:11 pm ]
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But you cannot take an aerial picture of someones house from your gyro and accept money for a photograph. Oh wait, the rules were written by a Gov agency, Now I understand!!

Author:	Arnie M. [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:25 pm ]
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MadMuz wrote: There is ways around everything... when I used to fly cessnas, I wasnt allowed to even take any money as share in the cost... so, I am proud to say I never once took a penny off anyone to help pay for the cost.... not one red cent.... and that is 100% the truth.... But everyone who went for a fly with me each bought a souvenir pen that cost $40 if they didn't want to buy a souvenir pen... they didnt get to go for a ride... The pens were awesome... they even had proper writing on them... it read 'Been In Cessna' Yes, you read it here... BIC was indeed written on the souvenir pen Some of them were even used/stolen... which made them 'collectable' Haaaaaaaaa ... good one .... I would have bought one of those pens As a matter of fact I would even pay $40 for a pen that says .... I rode in the MadMuz IMP powered by a gyrocopter engine in the back seat .

Author:	Hillberg [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:33 pm ]
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elwood wrote: But you cannot take an aerial picture of someones house from your gyro and accept money for a photograph. Oh wait, the rules were written by a Gov agency, Now I understand!! Funny we have a guy in Corona who does just that ,Aerial Photographs been doing it for years in a kit fox II even extended his rudder peddles so he wouldn't get cramps on those long days. How are your limitations written?

Author:	JonCarleton [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:33 pm ]
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The LODA seems to be the magic bullet, these days. I was speaking to a CFI in South Florida who got clobbered by the FAA when he built his Xenon. They said he didn't build 51%, so they wouldn't give him an Airworthiness Certificate (a problem that comes up from time to time with some of the new fiberglass/plastic/carbon fibre machines of late). With as much money as he had in the beast, you can imagine the vacuousity of the situation. The ultimate "fix" for this case was to allow an Airworthiness Certificate as an Airshow Exhibition Aircraft, then layer that with a LODA allowing usage for rental and flight instruction (dual, not solo). The major downside is that he must exhibit the aircraft in a few airshows or events a year to maintain the Airworthiness Certificate. The "Events" must be logged in the aircraft log and there is some additional paperwork associated with proving that the events "qualify." Of course, it is going to be really interesting if he ever tries to sell the beast.

Author:	airscooter [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:01 pm ]
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The skycombatace website says that they use the Extra 330LC and Waco aircraft. I believe the Extra is certified. Not sure what they actually use......

Author:	MadMuz [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:43 pm ]
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What is LODA? Sorry, dumb Aussie here

Author:	Gabor [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:55 pm ]
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Letters of Deviation Authority

Author:	MadMuz [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:08 pm ]
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Wow... I am already a deviant (and I've been called worse)... but I dont have the letter of authority So.... one can build a gyro not doing the 51% and just apply for a 'waiver'? Does that free the person who did the construction from litigation if the person rolls it in a ball

Author:	Gabor [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:19 pm ]
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FAA is a very different animal....almost like a government agency......wait.....they are just that!

Author:	MadMuz [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:23 pm ]
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Yeah... it has nothing to do with your safety... nor the constructors financial safety.... it is all about that the faa cant be held responsible... phuck everyone else It's always the same over here too... gubmint agencies always cover thier own ass before anything else

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